pentagon raising its cyber security efforts. the 49ers arrive in new orleans could super bowl monday become a national holiday. you wouldn't mind that. "early today" returns in two minutes. >>> welcome back. here are stories making news this morning. the senate is expected to approve more than $50 billion in aid for victims of hurricane sandy which hit the northeast over three months ago. >>> the pentagon is about to expand its cyber-security force five-fold to meet increasing threats against the nation's computer networks. the expansion would add 4,000 people to a unit that only has 900 employees now. >>> back in 199 the colorado grand jurying worked into the death of. jon benet ramsey looked into the parents on child abuse. >>> grab thinks football has to change because of dangerous hits. he thinks it would be better for players. >> casey anthony has filed for bankruptcy on debts of almost $800,000. she faces three civil lawsuits. most of the money is owed to her defense attorney. >> and sea foam in one coastal town of australia. streets were flood with these bubbles as well as the air. r

the president wants to run the pentagon. former republican senator and decorated vietnam combat veteran, chuck hagel, already under fire before today. he got a rough treatment at today's hearing. kelly o'donnell is on the hill tonight with details. kelly, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. tough questions were expected, but the real surprise today came in how chuck hagel handled the all-day scrutiny. at times appearing unprepared or off his game. and that's after hagel had dozens of personal meetings with senators, trying to win their support to become the next secretary of defense. >> right up the stairs, sir. >> reporter: chuck hagel would break new ground as the first enlisted man, first vietnam veteran, to run the pentagon. and first cabinet nominee to get the super pac treatment. tv ads against his confirmation. >> chuck hagel is not a responsible option. >> reporter: but it was hagel's former colleagues and even friends who waged a coordinated attack today on hagel's judgment. john mccain seized on hagel's vocal opposition to the surge of troops in iraq in 200

exploding. the pentagon's u.s. cyber command is drawing up plans to bring 4,000 new computer security experts onboard. homeland security secretary janet napolitano warns that the lack of experts nationwide is critical. >> it should be encrypted here and is not. >> reporter: the university of southern california is among a handful of the nation's colleges answering the call, preparing to offer a degree in cyber security. >> for whatever type of system that i'm going to develop for somebody i want to make sure that it's secure. >> in the past if your computer got attacked, maybe you were worried about slow start up speeds. now they can actually affect your livelihood. >> reporter: educators say it's essential to start building the cyber work force earlier in schools and colleges, preparing for one part of the economy everyone agrees is expanding as the cyber threat spreads. pete williams, nbc news, washington. >>> the man who has been on the forefront of fighting cyber attacks among other threats at the pentagon is weighing in on the grilling his likely successor got on capitol hill thi

mississippi river for any coastal threat. and the pentagon says norad will be monitoring the skies over the big easy ready to scramble fighter jets at a moment's notice. >>> stay with nbc bay area for complete coverage of super bowl week. we'll bring you everything 49ers. >>> new this morning, the senate judiciary committee held a hearing called what should americans do about gun violence? the hearing was opened with an emotional plea by former representative gabrielle giffords. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. >> giffords attended the hearing with husband astronaut mark kelly who also spoke. the former congresswoman has become a public advocate for gun control after being severely injured in a shooting at a campaign event more than two years ago in tucson, arizona. >> that was a powerful press conference. >> nra vice president wayne lapierre also spoke saying that because of their children safety program, fatal firearm accidents are at the lowest level in more than 100 years. he said the government should not dicta

pentagon says norad will monitor the skies over the big easy. ready to scamable fighter jets at a moment's notice. we'll have a live report at 5:00. of course your 24 hour niners coverage is on nbcbayarea.com. >> happening now, san francisco police invest remains that could solve a 30-year-old cold case. kevin collins disappeared from his way home from basketball practice in 1984. police served a war rarant yesterday. cadaver dogs picked up a scent and found bones in the garage of the house. >> you can see out my window into the backyard. they said there is a homicide investigation about something that happened 40 years ago. >> medical examiner said the bones found look like animal bones but they will examine them to make sure. >> the family said they have gone through this before only to be let down. kevin's brother steven remembers his father and the basketball coach searching for kevin. over 29 years the family has grown to accept kevin won't be coming home. he said he's skeptical at best of the new news. >> gotten our hopes up, gotten let down. so we are skeptical until someth

took place. >> what more can be done from your perspective on the pentagon's role in securing our embassies? we just had a near suicide attack, if you will, suicide bomber, at an embassy in turkey just last week. what can be done more than what has been done now? >> the important things to do are first of all you've got to build up the host country capacity. in the end, these embassies do depend on host country, the details that provide security. so you've got to try to develop that. >> this shouldn't be more marines? >> no, no. let me get the rest of the part of it. you have to harden these embassies as much as possible. and third, we have been working with the ste department to determine whether additional marines ought to be assigned to that area. and in the end, the final alternative is our ability to respond in having our troops in a position where they can respond quickly. but i have to tell you, a lot of that still is dependent on whether intelligence tells us that we've got a big problem, and gives us enough warning so that we can get to the place to respond. >> did you ha

mississippi river for coastal threats. the pentagon says norad will be monitoring the skies, ready to scramble fighter jets at a moment's notice. never forget. nbc bay area, your home for all things super bowl. live reports from new orleans all week long. they will be starting at 5:00. set your calendar and alarm. of course your 24-hour niners coverage on nbcbayarea.com. >> happening now, san francisco police may have discovered a a missing link in the disappearance of kev collins. the 10-year-old vanished in 1984. there is a new twist in the investigation. marla has the latest on a clue that led detectives to the garage of the home. good morning. we are between page and hate street. police came out and with the help of cadaver dogs they ended up finding bones beneath the garage floor. investigators drilled through the concrete where the dogs detected a scent. the medical examiner says the bones appear to belong to an animal. we are now waiting for the proper testing to be done in order to confirm or deny the notion. kevin collins family members say it would be nice to get closure aft

pentagon, former republican senator chuck hagel, came under fire from members of his own party during a very contentious confirmation hearing. >> name one person in your opinion who's intim nated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> are we right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> senator hagel, please answer the question i asked. today, do you think unilateral sanctions would be a bad idea? >> all this raising questions about how effective chuck hagel will be if confirmed as secretary of defense. earlier this weekend, i sat down for a rare joint interview with the top military leadership issue the outgoing secretary of defense leon panetta and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general martin dempsey. >>> secretary panetta, welcome back to "meet the es

lawrence is at the pentagon and chris hagel was also accused of wanting to gut the defense department so what kind of day do you think is on tap for him? >> carol, it's likely to be a pretty rough one. with avenue got word from insiders haguele is going to testify that the militant group hezbollah is a terrorist organization and that military options are on the table for iran. it's not earth-shattering, except when you compare it to what he's already said. chuck hagel's past is about to come roaring back at him. >> good morning, guys, how are you. >> reporter: how he's voted, what he said. >> he has insisted that the israelis negotiate with hamas, a terrorist organization. >> reporter: so one of the first questions could be, will you support israel? recently hagel promised he would, unequivocably saying his record's been distorted but he'll have to explain what he said before his nomination. >> mike referenced to a quote "jewish lobby" which i don't believe exists. >> reporter: senator also demand to know what hagel meant and why he refused to sign a letter designating hezb

the pentagon ten paintings as chairman of the air force artist guild over the years, and they're hanging in different locations in the pentagon, so we have one brother of some acclaim. and one of us did make it, my brother mike. mike's son is sitting behind him, josh. he is one of three children that mike has. we have here, also, cousins, many friends, people i owe money to -- and who knows who else i have received some publicity over the weeks. i want to also thank my friends sam nunn and joran warner. i want the to thank them for their support, their encouragement, and their friendship over many years. and as each of you who had the privilege of serving with those two senators, i, too, had my thanks for their tremendous service to our country. these two distinguished americans represent what's best about american public service and responsible bipartisanship. they have embody ied both in thr careers, long distinguished careers, and are models for each of us. and, of course, to my family, friends, and fellow veterans who are here as has been noted, max cleland, jan scruggs, good

. capitol and the pentagon. it can feel like a lot longer than that for chuck hagel today, as republicans gear up for a good old-fashioned grilling on his nomination for secretary of defense. one topic sure to come up is israel, which just launched an air strike in syria that u.s. officials say targeted a convoy of russian-made weapons that were headed for lebanon. now russia, the arab league, and hezbollah are all condemning the action. >>> and the new chairman of the senate foreign relations committee pays back $60,000 to a donor for airplane rides. and that donor is under investigation by the fbi. much more on a stranger sorry surrounding senator bob menen z menendez. good morning from washington. it's thursday, january 31st, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. now less than 30 minutes away from the start of chuck hagel's confirmation hearing to become the next secretary of defense. we'll take you there live for his opening statement, along with what's expected to be some tough questioning from some big-name republicans. let's get right to my first read of th

. in the moment we'll talk to two of the doctors who performed it, but first nbc's pentagon reporter has this inspiring story. good morning to you. >> good morning, savannah. this is truly a remarkable story of modern medicine, and a young man's courage and determination to overcome an imaginable diversity. ferdinand marco sat before a news conference flexing his arms, newly transplanted just six weeks ago. >> i never accepted the fact i didn't have arms, so now that i have them again, it's almost like it never happened. >> reporter: as a soldier in iraq, he lost his arms and legs in a roadside bomb, the first double amputee in the u.s. military. after weeks of therapy in a military hospital, he mastered his new limbs, all four of them. but listen to morocco when he talks about the loss of one but not the other. >> i hated not having arms. i was all right not having legs. not having arms takes so much away from you, even your personality. >> reporter: so last december a team of doctors at johns hopkins working 13 hours straight transplanted two arms from a deceased anonymous donor. d

pentagon for the latest on this story, just ahead. >>> also breaking news ahead. the former mayor of new york, ed koch has died. he was 88 years old. a look at his legacy this morning. a controversial, combative, confrontational and brash mayor, and the people of new york city loved him. we'll tell you about that, straight ahead. christine. >>> and the first jobs report of 2013 released in an hour and a half. the numbers for you, what it means for the health of the economy and the jobs market. >> and the defense secretary nominee on the defensive. chuck hagel grilled on capitol hill. did he blow his shot to convince lawmakers that he's the right man for the job? >> friday, february 1st, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. breaking news, we start with. two people have died, several people wounded in explosion that has taken place outside the u.s. embassy in ankara, turkey. chris lawrence joins us from the pentagon. >> reporter: good morning, soledad. not much information right now. turkey authorities are responding to that scene, trying to collect more infor

. this is becoming more of a likelihood. >> political reports today that the pentagon preparing a plan to furlough civilian workers once a week for five months. that adds up to a 20% pay cut to deal with the automatic cut scheduled in march. gary has been looking into that one. gary. >> derek, you remember the piece of the fiscal cliff drama a month ago. the automatic spending cuts shared equally between programs that go into place automatically unless congress cuts the deal. the pentagon is putting details in place in order to save an estimated $5 billion. wusa9 asd our facebook following if their civilian pentagon employees, what would it mean to them? we got painful posts. we have one, i have colon cancer and have chemotherapy. no, we cannot afford any pay cut now. james wilson, i'm concerned about my bills. family of four here living on one civilian paycheck. husband disabled. pay frozen for three years and now they want to take two days of every paycheck away from me? i hope congress and the senate lose the equivalent amount of pay. they should furlough some 14s and 15s, higher pay g

it means for you is nezar alsayyad thanks so much. up next the pentagon is going to cut his budget which means it will lose private sector jobs and revenue. any volunteers to take the hit? i don't think so. one reason i don't envy the path facing our second secretary of defense. irene, drop the itch. we dropped the itch, you can too. with maximum strength scalpicin®. it's not a shampoo so you can stop intense itch fast wherever you are. i dropped the itch. free yourself from embarrassing scalp itch. drop the itch with maximum strength scalpicin®. also available scalpicin® 2 in 1, itch relief plus dandruff control. >> jennifer: all right. let's head down to los angeles and see what cenk uygur and "the young turks" have in store. >> i have some strong feelings about the hearings in the senate about gun control. >> jennifer: i'm shocked. >> i know. but we have two great guests on a former gun lobbyist for the nra who turned on them. he'll explain that today on the show. and then we have a form nra member who quit in disgust over the position the nra is holding on these gun-control

. military. >> today subtracting jobs in the pentagon and adding women into combat. >> the fact is that they have become an integral part of our ability to perform our mission. >> is chuck hagel the right ban to run a -- we'll ask retired general stanley mcchrystal and michael hayden. and then assault weapons. the public may not want them, so why is banning them unlikely? plus does the republican road to recovery begin outside washington that with virginia governor bob mcdonal. i'm candy crowley. and this is state of the union. >> chuck hagel, the president's choice to be secretary of defense, will face many of his former colleagues this week as confirmation hearings. though congressman hagel has already taken income from many in his party, his critics see as sufficiently pro real. too quick to subject cuts at the pentagon. meantime, the current defense secretary leon panetta is making history on the way out the door. joining me now, retired u.s. army general stanley mcchrystal is the former commander in afghanistan. and former cia director and retired u.s. air force general michael hay

>>> the times are a changing in the u.s. military. today, subtracting jobs at the pentagon and adding women into combat. >> the fact is, that they have become an integral part of our ability to perform our mission. >> is chuck hagel the right man to run a pentagon in transition? we'll ask retired general stanley mckristol and michael hayden. >>> then, assault weapons. the public may not want them, so why is banning them unlikely? we'll ask senator dianne feinstein. >>> plus, does the republican road to recovery begin outside the washington. with governor mcdonnell, mia love, scott walker, and carlos gutierrez. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." fire up the hot seat. former senator chuck hagel, the president's choice of secretary of defense will face many former colleagues at this week's confirmation hearings. republican hagel has taken a variety of votes that some see as too quick to suggest cuts at the pentagon and too conciliatory to israel. and president o joining me now retired u.s. army general stanley mcchrystal. author of "my share of the task" and retired

the u.s. embassy in ankara, turkey. chris lawrence joins us from the pentagon. >> reporter: good morning, soledad. not much information right now. turkey authorities are responding to that scene, trying to collect more information. the blast happened just a short while ago, some. news reports out of that area, saw a big flash, heard a big bang. reports of several people wounded near a side gate of the embassy. we're waiting for more information, the u.s., of course, has two major air bases in turkey no, where near the capit capital. soledad. >> thank you, chris, for watching this story. >>> also, we told you just moments ago, the former new york city mayor ed koch has died. he passed away from congestive heart failure. he had really problems with his health over the last many years. mayor koch elected in 1977. he was a judge on the people's court, and he had been hospitalized recent well fluid on his lungs. moved to intensive care yesterday. he was 88 years old. richard socaridies joins us. writer for "new yorker," former aide to president clinton. when i was a kid growing up in

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panetta told the pentagon not the plan for it. now it seems not only is the military planning for the cuts, republicans seem to think the cuts are inevitable. >> i think the sequester is going to happen. because that $1.2 trillion in spending cuts we can't lose the spending cuts. that would pay for the last debt ceiling increase. >> the looming deadline is march 1. deputy defense secretary ash carter warned friday that the pentagon's $800,000 civilian employees will face furloughs. and reduce paychecks starting in april, if sequestration is not avoided. pentagon is now planning to eliminate 46,000 temporary civilian workers as a result of these imminent budget cuts. >> i got a perfect storm coming up in the next few months. we have this whole crazy mechanism called sequester. that means $1 trillion will be cut across the board. $500 billion out of defense. across the board. >> in a meat ax approach that will hollow out the force if it happens. >> one of the nation's largest defense contractors general dynamics based in false church virginia reported $2 billion in losses. blaming the u

friendly and enemy communications. networks is one of the pentagon's top priorities. ew covers jamming, spoofing, and attacking enemy systems while defending your own network and was critical during the cold war. after the soviet collapse ew slipped to the sidelines, returning to the spotlight to did he he fend allied troops in iraq and afghanistan by jamming roadside bombs. ew has quietly become a priority as pentagon leaders prepare for future conflict and russia, china, and other nation states improve their ew capabilities. u.s. forces depend on vast networks for intelligence, strikes, navigation and logistics, and leaders realize that any smart enemy will attack these systems in any conflict to handicap american forces. among the changes to bert protect forces has been to merge cyber and ew operations which are intimately intertwined. joining us are the four men who head the ew efforts for their respective services. colonel jim ekvall, chief of war far division. captain greg smith, director of the navy's threet electronic warfare, colonel jim "hook" pryor, chief of air force electr

fascism exactly i mean not just america is suffering from fascism the they've got the pentagon will go on jon stewart's show you know in the second half and they'll push war and so he totally can this whole military complex in america and that's consider the alternative media so they love it the fox news promotes the military the pentagon goes on fox this they get they engage american wars. and people die and they celebrate that because they're fascist you know fill in the epithet from there all right so you've got the internet. which is becoming going the way of the war on terror war on drugs and of course the war on drugs we've got beheadings in mexico at what point does an era shorts instead of just threatening to put them into a good there's a government the fascist in washington just decapitated one psycho mix up well said he was seeing a patient of internet activists as well as activists in the real world as domestic extremists and in fact terrorists so for example ok pio streets of london they were warning the police in the city of london that they could potentially be terrorist

been losing ground africa for a long time and i think this is essentially a pentagon initiative. it has been pursued by france and britain but i think the pentagon is really this is africa this is an entire military militarization of africa and control of the sources and i think the only way this can be done really is to reform cooperation but there is a question of interim period as dr so but yes the french are overextended because they're already fighting wars now on many fronts they're supporting terrorists and their lives in syria that's well established and well documented they're not fighting terrorists in in in mali what they're simply doing is attempting to get its military presence there most likely a military base in markets which they failed to get on the the. regime and so i think the only. main objective was yes this is this thing nato. initiative and it's a pentagon initiative it's not a common issue it is the french overextended but i think there will be very serious backup from the pentagon garro dot com on the independent and those that wish we had more time we than

other things, he is likely to face questions about the pentagon's looming budget crisis. automatic spending cuts set to take effect march 1 mean the defense department will have to find $52 billion in savings this year and half a trillion dollars over the next decade. newshour correspondent kwame holman reports. >> holman: outgoing defense secretary leon panetta recently sounded the alarm at the prospect of looming budget cuts. >> the most immediate threat to our ability to achieve our mission is fiscal uncertainty. >> holman: that damage could be felt soon. thousands of the pentagon's civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks as early as apri according to deputy secretary of defense ashton carter. >> so if the new secretary is confirmed by march 1, the first fight, before he even finds the men's room at the pentagon, is going to be, how do i negotiate with the congress on behalf of my interests in the bigger context of the budget? >> holman: gordon adams was the top white house budget official for national security during the clinton administration, and now teac

, he has to be a tough -- a tough guy at the pentagon. he is going to be tough with congress. he has to deal with the potential of the sequester, fighting for the budget that he does get, dealing with all of the problems that come at you when you are in charge of the pentagon and the generals and the other members of the joint chiefs are going to feel they can run over him. >> we'll see about that. i assume that every general with any number of stars was watching intently yesterday, and might have had that thought in mind. you said another important word, which is sequester. it's going to be a huge mess over there trying to, first, anticipate this, and then deal with whatever the new reality is. i do think that it was ugly yesterday. it was ugly on both sides. the white house wasn't so much from what i heard defending his performance as saying that those mean republicans also performed in an ugly and bad and not very attractive way. i don't think anybody looked particularly good in that showdown. i also think it's very clear that this is, you know, we love it, but washington theater,

set for thursday. among other things, he is likely to face questions about the pentagon's looming budget crisis. automatic spending cuts set to take effect march 1 mean the defense department will have to find $52 billion in savings this year and half a trillion dollars over the next decade. newshour correspondent kwame holman reports. >> holman: outgoing defense secretary leon panetta recently sounded the alarm at the prospect of looming budget cuts. >> the most immediate threat to our ability to achieve our mission is fiscal uncertainty. >> holman: that damage could be felt soon. thousands of the pentagon's civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks as early as april, according to deputy secretary of defense ashton carter. >> so if the new secretary is confirmed by march 1, the first fight, before he even finds the men's room at the pentagon, is going to be, how do i negotiate with the congress on behalf of my interests in the bigger context of the budget? >> holman: gordon adams was the top white house budget official for national security during the clinton a

story? >> well, the u.s. pentagon is leading the development of oil and gas in afghanistaned and what that has meant is an increase in violence. that's a problem for afghans certainly, and it's a problem for troops fighting in afghanistan, and it could be a cause to delay our leaving afghanistan, which i think something most americans want to see happen. >> john: indeed. now when we think about holy-producing nations afghanistan does not usually come up in the top ten. how much oil is underneath afghan soil. >> yeah, it doesn't have a lot. it doesn't have a lot of natural gas. it doesn't compare to iraq. afghanistan has 1.6 billion barrels compared to iraq's 116. that said, any oil and natural gas right now is oil and natural gas that somebody wants and is going to fight for. also afghanistan is very strategiccally located among other countries that do have oil and natural gas holdings. both have resources of its own that are important and the strategic location of the other countries that have even more than it does. >> john: the mining of this oil and gas is controlled by our p

secretary panetta will testify on capitol hill about benghazi before leaving the pentagon. >> that is right. he hadn't planned to. but the threats from some lawmakers to potentially hold up a vote on chuck hagel on panetta's replacement pressed the pentagon to have panetta go up on to capitol hill to testify before the senate armed services committee next thursday. that is the same day that the senate is expected to vote on hagel's nomination. meanwhile, secretary of state john kerry was sworn in today during a private ceremony on capitol hill. he made headlines telling the boston globe president obama picked him for the job a week before susan rice withdrew her name over the benghazi controversy, which is a different timeline of what we have known before now. bret? jennifer griffin, live from the state department. thank you. 17% of male marines say they will leave the corps if women move in combat positions. in the survey done before the pentagon announced women could serve in combat, male marines worried about being falsely accused of sexual harassment or assault. >>> still ahead

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completely and even egypt in the north east africa as well so what's going on there from the pentagon point of view and now from the middle east to to i'm sorry for mena as they call it middle east north africa from them i grab it to the middle east you see out of this the villages ation of the ancient order but we need a gram shit to tell us the ancient order is gone but if you one has not emerged and the pentagon wants to control the emergence of this new ward this is what is really horrible cannot cannot jump in i mean go ahead. by the destabilization of the region and how much the peoples of the region have suffered major talking from israel israel is not such a such an innocent party in all this i mean that. they occupied the lands of all their neighboring. states they go into lebanon and bomb and strafe they they they dissed they killed people in gaza palestinians in gaza and they do interfere in iraq as well as there was seymour hersh of the famous american jordan a sort of deal that israeli agents. go through iraqi kurdistan and to iran to conduct some but objectivity is and g

center and killed almost 200 people at the pentagon as well as those in pennsylvania. it was a deliberate act of terrorism. we went to war. and when you go to war and you have an enemy out there, you've got to use everything you can to make sure you go after that enemy. and that's what we did. and the fact is we had very precise effective operations to go right at al qaeda's leadership. and by weakening them and by significantly impacting them especially with the bin laden raid the fact is we are safer today from that 9/11-type attack. >> there seems to be some concern even the president did an interview with mark bouden and said there's a remoteness to it that makes it tempting that somehow we can without any mess on our hands solve vexing security problems. it's the morale -- >> you know, as a catholic i remember when i first became director of the cia and realized that i was making life and death decisions with regards to our operations. it doesn't come lightly. you've got to really think about it. you've got to make sure that we really are focused on somebody who is, you know, a direc